Are pappies welcomed here?

topic posted Mon, March 31, 2008 - 2:22 PM by  350ppm
I got a nice welcoming at the post pardom Mommas tribe upon a momma inviting me there, they even changed the title to post pardon mommas and pappas..and there where alot of mommas very delighted to have a few dads, including myself..

or so I thought..

Next day I get kicked out cold turkey.
Apparently there was secret talks that i was not welcomed by a few Mommas that apparently disliked me from an unique clash I had in the Extreme Honesty Tribe, where alot of sharp elbows hang out (several mommas and many more feel the same as I do about the Extreme honesty tribe). I can see how they might not like me based on that unique experience..although I was at worse annoying never disrespectful...and hardly communicated with them...i was surpriced at how strongly they felt about me.

So they expelled me cold turkey. Imagine getting excluded like this after a warm reception?

I would like to know if I am welcomed, as a Dad, to this tribe.. or should I best leave before some of these same momma's organize a secret extradition?

I am just concerned that if I am expelled here, I will have a hard time dismissing these experiences whenever I ran across moms groups.

I hope you can empathize with my situation here.

I conside myself a compassionate person.. aware parenthood is something I inspire and am In many respects. I am a dad of two twin girls (1 month old).

From where I come from, I am neither only a male, or only a female, I am neither and I am both--it's a vajrayana buddhist thing. This is why I feel fine being in groups such as this.

So I would kindly ask you: Am I welcomed as a Dad, as a human, here?
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350ppm
SF Bay Area
  • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

    Mon, March 31, 2008 - 4:15 PM
    Why don't you go join a tribe that specifically caters to both sexes or start one of your own, or even one for just fathers. Women need their space without men around, too.

    Also, FYI for everyone else:

    tribes.tribe.net/postpartu...71f39fbbc2
    • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

      Mon, March 31, 2008 - 5:53 PM
      thanks for that link...

      I had not gone back there since. One thing is clear: I need to work on my writting skills..since this seems to be the most consistent evaluation of me.
      The one I like the most is their suspicion that I am a father, just because I choose to keep my babies pictures in private...(creepy me.. not showing my baby pictures!) Some even critiziced that I don't have a group picture of me and my wife and my two twin girls... hilarious!

      The one person I do admire is mistressimmaculate. She actually is asking everyone is they can simply explain what I did wrong and holding of any judgement.

      The frequent response was that I privately send messages to some of the active members there, mostly the ones that originally welcomed me there.. I sent them the whole story in case they cared to know just as a FYI about my side of the story.. since i was rejected cold turkey without any cause other than some women threatening to leave because they disliked me... and because I still have interested in engaging about parenting issues here... is that so wrong?
      • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

        Mon, March 31, 2008 - 5:56 PM
        Alex, please don't start over here too.

        This tribe is also closely intertwined with mine, and while I will NOT recommend that you are ousted from yet another 'woman' oriented tribe, I must remind you that your long winded explanations of why you are continually being excluded from such tribes is becoming quite banal.


        • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

          Mon, March 31, 2008 - 6:12 PM
          <<Alex, please don't start over here too>>

          You kicked me out cold turkey without a chance to voice myself..In fact you deleted the welcomed post where most of your members where glad to have me..until someone spread some mean rumor about me in private behind my back.

          You erased me from your tribe based on *gutt* not objective truth--and well all know that a woman's instinct is never wrong right?

          I am just want to know if this will be the dynamic here.. or if I can actually participate in peace and tranquility as a father, to get info for my babies and my wife and myself.

          I have some faith in some mother's here.. that they do not go by rummors.. but by the integrity of truth and compassion.

          I am sorry I did not start it, you did.
          • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

            Mon, March 31, 2008 - 6:16 PM
            You are perpetuating drama from another tribe here. That is not welcome or appreciated at all. Please go join a group that is for both men and women, mothers AND fathers. Keep the drama to yourself.

            Bored now.
            • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

              Mon, March 31, 2008 - 6:20 PM
              <<You are perpetuating drama from another tribe here.>>
              why did you link to the original drama created by others not me? I was the one welcomed and then swiftly rejected.. all I was doing was mingling joyfully and politely in that tribe.

              Please show some compassion, I don't think you will regret it.
          • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

            Mon, March 31, 2008 - 6:40 PM
            Seriously now Alex, , you can continue to join tribes which are clearly woman oriented, you can continue to begin each line of your first thread with some sob story about how the mean old hens kicked out the cock, you can continue to hijack threads and not ask questions, only to seem to have the answers, you can continue to ride the train of your own narcissism.

            Whatever. I too am bored.
      • ..errata..

        Mon, March 31, 2008 - 5:57 PM
        I should really learn to use the preview to correct my typing:

        The one person I do admire is mistressimmaculate. She actually is asking everyone if they can simply explain what I did wrong and is in fact withholding judgement.
      • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

        Mon, March 31, 2008 - 6:05 PM
        Alex, I got a long winded pm from you after only briefly having welcomed you, I honestly don't know you well enough to read that long of a pm. I don't think it was necessary for you to send that detailed message to so many women. Also, why would you even try to join a tribe that has something in the title that states it is exclusively for women? i.e. Postpartum Mammas, and Aware Mothers. Why not just join a tribe that is open to both genders or for papas? I agree with Madames decision but not because I have anything against you personally, in fact I would possibly enjoy chatting with you more in another forum that is open to both genders, but mamas were leaving because of feeling uncomfortable. Many of us women have known each other for a long time and I like having a sanctuary just for mamas and knowing that we will be protected when we feel unsafe. As far as not posting pictures, I have all my daughters pictures on private so I understand wanting to keep them private. I just think the whole vibe and how you jumped in so fully right away was a bit weird.

        I would greatly appreciate if you would leave this tribe to the women and not post here anymore. If you want to find a parenting tribe there are quite a few others.
        • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

          Mon, March 31, 2008 - 6:09 PM
          Hear, hear, Mama!!!
          • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

            Mon, March 31, 2008 - 6:16 PM
            Thanks Mama and Carrie,

            this is simply what I am requesting..a simple answer: am I welcomed?

            Looks like I am not.. so I do have the compassion and politeness to leave..

            thanks for your response. I am glad we can get this out of the way before I get vested in this tribe..

            thanks again
            • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

              Mon, March 31, 2008 - 9:43 PM
              how do you spell TROLL? I wasn't gonna reply, but this is just pissing me off. In the other aforementioned tribe, the "babies" were 8 months old. Today, their one month old.
              Uh huh, suuuuure.
              Bored now, moving on.
              • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

                Wed, April 2, 2008 - 1:49 PM
                please check your prejudice at the door mskristina. You quickly assume alot...and your prejudice shows.

                Here is the proof:

                I did post when my wife was 8 MONTH PREGNANT.
                now, they twins are 1 MONTH OLD.

                yes, in fact the babies were 8 month old and today they are one month old.

                the clock resets during labor... if you are a mother, you should realize this...if this did not occur to you, well.. it tells me your prejudices where overpowering you.

                I think everyone is predisposed to believing the worse of me.. due to a few well placed rummors..perhaps targeting your fears or annoyances.. I am not sure.

                Again, please err on the side of compassion, you will not regret it.
                • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

                  Wed, April 2, 2008 - 5:36 PM
                  Alex, how about you just leave now and STOP POSTING. Like you said you would. None of us want you in here, it is a mamas tribe and I am tired of trying to politely get th the point across. Stop perpetuating drama and stop harassing my friends!
                • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

                  Wed, April 2, 2008 - 6:29 PM
                  i've erred on the side of compassion many times - the outcome is always the same: i look like a fool. you bend enough for people & they see you as weak, gullible, stupid or ignorant. then they take advantage of that kindness perceived as weakness.

                  i suppose that's why we're all being so hostile. we've known enough trolls in our day & you fit the bill. sorry, but you do. what's done is done & in all "extreme honesty" you're not going to change our minds. in fact, you backslide into a hole with every defense. this is me being extremely honest: we don't trust you. you may very well be who you say, but at this point, nothing is going to convince us of that. just please take our well-placed advice & start your own new fathers tribe. feel free to invite or shun anyone you want. that's the beauty of being a moderator. i have a feeling you won't be seeing much action because, quite simply, fathers are a mum group! you don't see my dh tribing all day about my nipples & our boy's toilet habits, etc. but i do! this is the nature of women, not men. this is why you are suspect in our eyes.

                  do you not agree that it looks a little wierd from our perspective? a man to whom none of us have any connection, suddenly shows up in our mother-centric tribes, claiming twins, asking no questions, dispensing advice & trying to mingle among the hens away from his wife. odd, yes? anyway, that's the last i've got to say on the topic.

                  i hope you can find the tribe of supportive fathers you're seeking.
                • Re: Are pappies welcomed here?

                  Wed, April 2, 2008 - 9:31 PM
                  Alex, what the fuck is your problem? You said you were leaving the tribe yesterday and you did. I checked. Now you've rejoined. For what purpose? To flame? To troll?

                  Go away. You're not wanted here.

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